First of all, like i said before, if you dodge, you just encourage bullying in team select. That's just catastrophic. If you play the game you're just giving him the satisfaction.
You can't premade more than 2 people in ranked so out of 9 voters only 1 can be premade with the troll, and 1 is neglijable (also, who would want to premade with a troll like that?). If you want to try something new, like premade bot annie and leona i don't think there will be minute 1 dismissal, because they can't hurt or disturb anyone in early game. It costs noone anything to let them try for a few minutes.
Concerning the team select chat, it is irelevant. if you have a team comp of veigar rengar renekton and leona and the last guy picks zed and goes mid with veigar and leona ends up solo bot, he did not respect the pick order, this being grounds for dismissal. If he decides to go bot with zed and plays seriously, i do not believe the enemy team will vote to end the game. Although according to the meta he should have picked adc, there are other valid options. If botlane loses but he is trying hard, the vote between the 9 people may decide to end the game but not to also punish him with 30 min ban (you don't have to punish originality). However if he is trying hard and leona just refuses to help him "because he should have picked adc", i strongly believe that leona should be punished and the game dismissed (because it may not be the meta, but zed's pick doesn't change her role).
This is just getting way too complicated and confusing.
You have to pay attention ingame to so many other things, and adding this would be just too much, people would back out of games without trying. It is not impossible to win with 4 vs 5, or hell even with 3vs5 (done it)
What is needed more, is more time in the lobby, when everyone gets there and have time to discuss what I am good with and what not, regardless the pick order. Usually it works if you ask your team if you could go duo bot, because you are premade, I think from my 10 placement games last season, I have been only once with a random dude and not my duoQ partner. You can be surprised how cooperative the team can get if you start to talk in a normal manner.
I got a question where can I post a question to RIOT...they restricted my queue on 20mins waiting before i can play because for no reason....the people just report me probably for AFK because of fun, i wasnt AFK too much games but I was two days ago and it's because of you RIOT, mt internet was perfect and fast but i still had 700 ping and couldn't move so i reconnected and it was still 700, and so i logged off and logged in again and guess what, my game was updating 10 mins so i failed to play, anyway i was playing dominion that day so its enough 10 mins to finish that kind of game, please tell me where can I send this so they do something about this, really it's ****ty and not fair to wait 20mins before game because of not staying AFK...
Adding this system that you have mentioned.
I don't think I remember having a game with a "mid or feed" guy. But that's basically because I really dislike going alone, douQ is better, but my preference is a full team.
Once someone wanted my support, I let him have it, cos I really dislike conflicts, and hoped I could avoid it that way, and he flamed nevertheless, lost that game, reported him.
But if someone is clearly wants to troll, and you can't make him do otherwise, I would dodge it.
So you mean the random strangers are the Riot Employees, who have been studying, and have degrees in fields of social science, psychology and so on. Yeah, they have more experience on how people behave than I do. What I can do is, decide what is acceptable for me and what is not, and then they decide how severe the punishment should be.
While the Tribunal was still up, honestly, it was pretty easy to decide punishment or pardon without knowing what has been going on in the game, because, the chat was more than enough. Of course there were games where you had to decide if the guy was intentionally feeding or trolling or what so ever, those were the harder cases.
As for the how to abuse it, what if everything was fine in the lobby, and the game starts fine, but someone is having a hard time in the lane, and you call him a troll or what so ever, and then make a vote to end this game and punish him.
Here you would take away the chance from the whole team from winning the game. You can't know if it was unturnable or not.
What I am trying to point out, that yes, you can have a real troll in champ select, which has to be dealt with. If you have such a system implemented it can be used for other things, which I mentioned above.
Also if you dodge the game, you lose less LP than playing the game through, so I don't see the point going into the game just to report someone. That's why a report option could be good in the lobby and then dodge. And then the report would be evaluated.
There's something familiar about this question (http://forums.eune.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=685396). maybe someone has been thinking about this problem before.[/QUOTE]
You are making my point (or rather i am making yours :P). It's the same analisys of the situation only more elaborated.
I would like to submit this comparison to you. I feel that LoL is almost identical to a random real-life sport (like socker or basketball) with strangers as your teammates and opponents. You must cooperate with your teammates, try to synergyse your abilityes, trust each other etc. What never happends in outdoor sports is trolling. Because if you don't want to play for real both the teams will tell you to get off the court (or field or whatever u call it). Outdoor sports are extrmely abusive in their selection (a problem riot fixed very well, respect), but once the team is made up, noone is trolling. Because trolling will get you nowhere. It would be like trying to rob a police officer. If you try to hurt the game you are OUT. Give the victims of trolling the chanse to retaliate.
Concerning the abuse of the right to retaliate, that wouldn't happen (or at least it would be a lesser evil). I feel that i have to elaborate my "in-game tribunal" idea. Here it is:
After the game starts, in the general team stats window, along with the mute button, there should be a "report inapropriate behavior button" for every player in YOUR team. You may click that button at any time, not more often than once every 5 mins, and not more that 2 times / player (this is flexible). Clicking the button will start a "is player X(champion) having inadequate behavior?" vote (like on surrender, discrete, not disturbing the game). If 3 of 5 or 3 of 4 agree, the game will pause for 30 secs or so (to prevent rushing into voting due to adrenaline), and all nine players will submit to a vote. If 6 (the majority from both teams) say YES, the vote passes.
1. Vote passes = the game will end, the team with the troll will lose the game (standard lose penaltyes), and the troll gets 30 minute ban (i think every player who says yes should say how long the ban should last rangeing from 5 to 60 mins and the actual punishment should be the AVERAGE).
2. Vote rejected = game continues. In my oppinion it would be fair to give the team that decided they have a troll a standard surrender possibility (not on minute 20 but at any time, so they won't build rage for the forecoming games). (Pass = standard surrender, lose LP, no bans; Fail = agony).
The abuse of the in-game tribunal won't happen because, unlike real-life sports, people don't know each other. Every one of them will think for himself. The ipothetical premade with the troll (but srsly who would like to premade with him) will not be enough to "crash" this system.
If you think the system i proposed can be abused, check this out:
I was on a losing streak with trolls / afks (and i was duoing with my cousin). Finally we had a game in which we had a nonafk nontroll team, but facing a 4-man team. I was feeling down because i want to play good 5v5 games, do plays, get in those adrenaline-rushing fights, and then my cousin says something like "finally it's our turn to get the full team". This made me sad. He is unexperienced and hadn't played very much, he was barely lvl 30, and this is what his idea of LOL is. Get the "lucky draw".
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